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Malice Black · Nov 18, 2007, 03:34 PM // 15:34

PvP and PvE should never be mixed.

True PvE players play serious MMO's anyway.

jayce · Nov 18, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

so while 99% of the ppl are pointing the need to make pvp and pve words separate u would love to merge them even more? u truly picked up the wrong game

don't get me wrong with my idea. speaking clearly from my point of view, i pretty much won't do anything in this game unless the reward is worth it. to me, there is no reason to get involved heavily into PvP. but i do farm faction points or amber for money and i enjoy myself the most doing it in PvP. if there are rewards for playing more PvP over say solo farming, then you will see more people PvP. again this is just my opinion.

Jayce Of Underworld

GenocideTwitch · Nov 18, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

PvP and PvE should never be mixed.

True PvE players play serious MMO's anyway.

They have been mixed since day one at launch though. And even more so today, I can't count the number of pve players i see in RA running stance tanks or trappers that don't really know what they are doing. i guess they figure if it works in ab or pve it will in ra/ta/ha/gvg when it clearly does not.

There is a learning curve to pvp aside from pve.

Savio · Nov 18, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I hate "State of the Game" threads, as it means someone posts a wall of text that is generally incorrect.

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Originally Posted by GenocideTwitch

my proposal, although maybe a silly one was to just increase the drop rates in pve so people get what they want quicker to increase numbers on the pvp scene.

People who continually farm for loot generally aren't the ones who play PvP, nor are they ones you want to play PvP. Try again.

Chicken Ftw · Nov 18, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by GenocideTwitch

I can't count the number of pve players i see in RA running stance tanks or trappers that don't really know what they are doing. i guess they figure if it works in ab or pve it will in ra

Whoa whoa whoa. Back up for a second. Are you seriously trying to tell me RA isn't just as scrubby and easy to win as AB?

Oblivious Moose · Nov 18, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

well the games name is guild wars... where guilds fight... hence the pvp aspect..

this is not grind wars.. a soely pve based game..

ide agree, if they make the pve side, more accessable, and less grind/money oriented, the pvp side would have more people in it today...

more drops = less rarity = lower prices = ability for casual players to spend time and EARN the stuff, in a reasonable ammount of time.

and by earn, its not give people what they want right then and there. its give them the ability to get what they want w/o being forced to grind for 3 months straight. yes i exaggerated..

in essence, that idea prevents poor people from not being able to obtain better looking equipment(this means they can get it). of course there will be a few ultra-rare items that only the super rich can get, which is fine..

ex. mini panda for ultra-rate items, or crystalline sword. casual players will probably never get their hands on one. ...

on the other side, they can afford that cool looking 15k primeval armor, or luxon armor. even those cool looking chaos axes. or other great skins, which today are basically reserved for those who spend 9/10 hours in pve grinding away.

anet has introduced ALOT of pve only content.

only content that changed in pvp was auto tourneys, and HB. and a few ha maps and victory conditions.(cap points, relic, ect..)

rescently hb style maps ta.. which the pvp community does nothing but complain about.

i remember when the reward for doing pvp was more than just item unlocks..
like a trip to a different country to hold tournaments for tthose leet top 10 guilds. with money prize, and gifts.

with these automated tournaments, its a real turn-off to the pvp side. as theres no real reward for the daily tourneys. considering 2/3 of them forfeit the 1st round because they see a top 100 guild joinging.

please anet. give the pvp community bigger rewards. a random ha chest drop, sure its a good thing, but worthless if you could care less about money.

gvg...other than a gold,silver,bronze cape.. only for those top guilds..which are super leet.. the other pvpers never get one single reward.

ok, thers new 15k? pvp armor, but u must win those auto-tourneys and get loads of points in order to get the chance to unlock them... thers only the top 1-200 that always win. its not often you see a rank 400+ guild win a tournament.. let alone get into the monthly tournaments.

anyway.. point has been established.. please.. flame me, gives me a good reason to contact the admins of guru and get you banned..

of course, all these insights are nothing but my opinion on what should be done.

and opinions are just that. you dont liek them, tough. its 100% guarenteed anet will never do any of it. as this is not a poll thread for a specific change.

nuff said.. im done..peace out...

Malice Black · Nov 18, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Wow thats just a load of muddled garbage...

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anyway.. point has been established.. please.. flame me, gives me a good reason to contact the admins of guru and get you banned..

lol?

leeky baby · Nov 18, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Whos says you have to farm hours and hours to get the items/fow you want, theres plenty of other ways... i have 3 sets and never farmed in my life...

If you dont like the game because its too hard for you go and play something else like my little pony!

Oukanna · Nov 18, 2007, 04:36 PM // 16:36

I find it funny that you think Increasing drop rates in PVE will make them come to PVP xD That wont happen, people will farm like crazy and sell all there good loot to get armour and other things they want.

Also I have noticed PvP is becoming very unfriendly (in my experience anyhow)
I have Pve'd most of my guild wars life, i decided i wanted to venture into the PVP world, the problem is the people i met barked at me to use this build and this build ONLY and then called me a noob if i died and other such things like that. Also for TA and HA etc if you dont have a certain title rank, you wont be excepted into groups as often....that is a major pvp turn off, so dont blame ANET for stagnant PVP, blame a lot of the behaviour.
I am not saying it is all like that, but a lot is.

Of course ANET will put in more PVE stuff, because for PVE to work you need lots of new things to keep the players interested, as for PVP its very repetitive anyway so i guess they dont feel the need to put in new content as much.

It's an interesting Idea you have (raising loot rate) but it will affect PVE in a very bad way so it will never work and will never happen.

GenocideTwitch · Nov 18, 2007, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Whoa whoa whoa. Back up for a second. Are you seriously trying to tell me RA isn't just as scrubby and easy to win as AB?

point out one place i used the word easy at all in that post. -_-

and second of all RA is nothing near AB.. in AB you can and there are, people running around in pve builds where as RA is a very good tool for honing a build for certain uses. not for zomgpwning

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Originally Posted by Savio

I hate "State of the Game" threads, as it means someone posts a wall of text that is generally incorrect.

People who continually farm for loot generally aren't the ones who play PvP, nor are they ones you want to play PvP. Try again.

and exactly why not? more presence in pvp is exactly that, more presence if you just wave people off according to your opinion and not even give others a chance it's not only biased but it doesn't help a situation at all that needs to be helped. And what info in the thread was untrue? you DO have to grind in pve to get what you want PvP IS stagnant. PvE has gotten two fold more attention then pvp- those were the main points touched on and not one is untrue.

Malice Black · Nov 18, 2007, 04:55 PM // 16:55

RA/AB are a joke.

AB was ruined by gimmick builds
RA well...

GenocideTwitch · Nov 18, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Mokone

you should write articles for ArenaNet, they're usually full of crap like this one too.

Great of you to chime in, but it adds nothing to the topic at all. Pvp does need serious looking at, where as pve has been looked at and given change over and over and over.

Alex the Great · Nov 18, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

drop rates were nerfed because of inflation.....which raised prices and made it HARDER TO BUY STUFF.

Malice Black · Nov 18, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Eh..?

Things are a lot cheaper compared to the great days of 2005

Antheus · Nov 18, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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and second of all RA is nothing near AB.. in AB you can and there are, people running around in pve builds where as RA is a very good tool for honing a build for certain uses. not for zomgpwning

AB *is* PvE. Farming builds work great there.

Outside of RA, it's the only place whee a sin will regularly kill themselves with insidious parasite and where casters will cast themselves to death through backfire.

RA is random. It requires either spike builds (sins love(d) it), where the gameplay is overly defensive, and where mending wammos run rampant. Also - bonder monk, that's about all you need.

GenocideTwitch · Nov 18, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Antheus

AB *is* PvE. Farming builds work great there.

Outside of RA, it's the only place whee a sin will regularly kill themselves with insidious parasite and where casters will cast themselves to death through backfire.

RA is random. It requires either spike builds (sins love(d) it), where the gameplay is overly defensive, and where mending wammos run rampant. Also - bonder monk, that's about all you need.

Completely agree with you, there isn't much that can be said more about AB then calling it PvE. RA still has it's uses, though you can't just say a bonder is all you need because it's random. what irks me the most is all the attention pve gets when pvp is set on a side burner when clearly the community wants it to change.

Oukanna · Nov 18, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

lol i remember when runes of super vigor were around 40k...now they are like 15 xDD

priced deflated a lot when hard mode came out ^_^ but i dont care :-)

You cant really flame one type of pvp because you personally dont like it, everyone is different, so everyone likes different things. I dont like TA because of the people, so i dont play it i do like AB sometimes, i get to test out my pve and pvp builds. I think AB is more of a pve people place than pvp, i would say a gradual step into the pvp world. If you don't like it, dont do it. If you do then yaay for you lol

Alias_X · Nov 18, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

If everyone had FoW I would no longer desire it...

GenocideTwitch · Nov 18, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Oukanna

lol i remember when runes of super vigor were around 40k...now they are like 15 xDD

priced deflated a lot when hard mode came out ^_^ but i dont care :-)

You cant really flame one type of pvp because you personally dont like it, everyone is different, so everyone likes different things. I dont like TA because of the people, so i dont play it i do like AB sometimes, i get to test out my pve and pvp builds. I think AB is more of a pve people place than pvp, i would say a gradual step into the pvp world. If you don't like it, dont do it. If you do then yaay for you lol

I don't think it was a flame I think it was the closest description to AB that one can really give. Sure you running around killing other players so in a sense it IS pvp.. but at the same time there is no structure, there is no learning curve other then learning the maps and knowing where to run to cap the next point, and it's the only form of PVP you can run a pve build viable enough to stand on it's own. It is pvep lol.

Oukanna · Nov 18, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

lol pvep xD

I would so love to get both sides one day to line up opposite each other then run in like an epic battle scene to make a vid with xD Don't know why but it would amuse me lol

Mmm this topic seems to digress quite a bit.